• Til Death Do Us Part?

    About 16 years ago, I was sitting at the kitchen table with my best friend and her uncle, and we were discussing marriage. She had been dating her boyfriend for about 8 years and was engaged to be married. She was excited about her impending nuptials and full of hope. He had been married a few times and was a firm believer in just being married. I held a more reserved view of the idea which fueled discussion because although I had been in long term dating relationships, I had trouble understanding why anyone would want to. Albeit, I did want the frilly billowy princess dress, but I didn’t feel the necessity of legalizing love with a contractual agreement.

    It had been my observation that once couples say ‘I do’ the prevalent understanding is that because you said ‘til death do us part’, I can take you for granted because you promised not to leave me. Their argument was that if you love someone you want to commit yourself to them forever. Love Relationship Dating Forums - Married CoupleThat suddenly gave me visions of white padded walls. I contended that I didn’t think being married was a vile idea. I believe in forever love. I just thought the current ideal was flawed. The concept that two people enter into a relationship with the exact same expectations is not likely. Marriage is a pairing of people from separate families and different life experiences. The vows themselves lend credence to the idea that there will be an inordinate amount of give and take, “for better or worse”. I thought the problem typically is that depending on the individuals, one may end up giving more and one may end up taking more, often the same person in each role. My proposed solution was to change marriage from ‘til death’ to a set period of time that periodically came up for review and renewal. My thought was that if your marriage contract had potential to be up for renewal, there would always be the incentive to be on your best behavior. It isn’t that I think everyday can be blissful. People are human. There will be good days and bad days, but I think it is important to make the attempt to be present everyday and strive to be your best for the benefit of the one you love.

    This ancient conversation came to mind because I was reading this week that Mexico City has an initiative to implement just that, a term limit on marriage licenses with an option for renewal. It appears I may have been on to something. Studies have shown that 50 percent of marriages in Mexico City end in divorce within 2 years, and since divorce is typically a very painful process, their solution is to implement a minimum 2 year marriage contract. A component of the marriage contract includes the terms for separation upon dissolution of the marriage contract. These terms predetermine how custody will be handled should the union produce children, how assets and debt will be divided, etc. If after 2 years, things are still going strong, the marriage contract can be renewed. If after 2 years, things aren’t measuring up, then you let the contract expire and the marriage is terminated. Divorce is avoided because the separation details have already been agreed upon.

    While I can totally get on the bandwagon for this initiative, I am troubled by it as well. What is the point of getting married if it isn’t forever? In fact, what is the point of getting married at all? The gay community has been fighting over the privilege, but to what end? Are there benefits to being married that couples ‘in love’ just don’t have? There are employee health benefits. There are survivor benefits. There are retirement benefits. These are all financial tangible benefits that endorse marriage as a contractual agreement. What about intangible benefits? Are there any?Marriage Proposal Love Relationship

    Well……..the only answer I can find regarding intangible benefits to being married is it depends. It depends on how important being married is to you. It depends on if you are deeply religious and feel that your marital union needs to be blessed by a church. It depends on if you are uncomfortable with not being considered part of the ‘norm’. It depends on if you can only find comfort in ‘til death do us part’ because without it you aren’t sure it will last.

    The bottom line is that one size doesn’t fit all. There are advantages to being married that you can’t experience by cohabitating. There are advantages to cohabitating and not being married, especially if you don’t anticipate the union to last forever and don’t want to hire a divorce attorney. From my own experience, I have learned that whether you choose to marry or not, the most important choice you make is who you give your heart away to and choose to be your partner in love.

    JJ
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    1. nene5's Avatar
      nene5 -
      Great article that covers both sides of the marriage conversation from a woman's point of view. I do believe in both love and marriage. I also acknowledge that many people hastily get married without thinking about how a relationship goes through stages. I think this is the rationale behind the pending legislation in Mexico.
    1. catowoman's Avatar
      catowoman -
      Like they said, it’s better to be with no one than to be with the wrong one. I also believe in love and marriage but I don’t want to start on something that will end after some time. If I’ll submit myself to a man, I want it to be with this one man ‘til the day I die. Am I seeing so much fairy tale movies with only happy endings? Because I believe true love only have happy endings. And marriage goes with true love. I want to be swept by my feet by my husband-to-be on proposal and I want to be proud to let everybody know that I married the man I dream of since I started dreaming about my own fairy tale. We all have a match in the world. I believe you’re “I do” can only be given if you have found yours otherwise forget about it.
    1. Eiza's Avatar
      Eiza -
      Well, sentiment aside, there are legitimate legal reasons for marriage. That's one reason why gay couples are fighting so hard for the right to be married. Marriage provides you with the right of inheritance, health insurance, tax deductions and the right to determine the medical treatment of your spouse. You don't have those things if you're not married.
    1. LoveAdmin's Avatar
      LoveAdmin -
      Quote Originally Posted by Eiza View Post
      Well, sentiment aside, there are legitimate legal reasons for marriage. That's one reason why gay couples are fighting so hard for the right to be married. Marriage provides you with the right of inheritance, health insurance, tax deductions and the right to determine the medical treatment of your spouse. You don't have those things if you're not married.
      What tax deductions? At least in the US, a married couple will pay more in taxes than two single people.
    1. ChristmasBaby's Avatar
      ChristmasBaby -
      I believe that loving someone means sticking with them as they navigate this journey called life. If we bail when our needs aren't getting met, we may miss out on the fruit of all the hard work and effort. Long-lasting, committed love reaps a sweetness that new love and intoxication can't match. Marriage means "I value the true you enough to stick around until you show up." And dysfunction is a two-way street - even if one person cheats, the one who stays may have lessons to learn, such as boundaries and finding a voice. Marriage is not meant to make us happy, but rather to make us whole, complete and lacking nothing. Ironically, marriage may make us able to stand on our own two feet without NEEDING another to hold us up. Hmmm...
    1. victori's Avatar
      victori -
      It always worries me when women or men make blanket statements about marriage. Often times, individuals come across as defensive or angry about the whole prospect of marriage. I remember when I was 25 years old. I had enrolled in a travel abroad course and the coordinator promised that every year, someone met her spouse through the program. I was insulted that the director thought that was a selling point. And, within a few weeks of leaving the States and arriving in the UK, I had met my future husband. My point is, that you never know what is right around the corner. Hopefully, if marriage is in your future, you do have the legal right to enter into it for as long as you choose. I think the limited term licensing is absurd. Because you just never know what the future holds. But once you are married, at least you have the promise of a long commitment.
    1. mommyjoyce's Avatar
      mommyjoyce -
      it’s better to be with no one than to be with the wrong one. I like that line, Catowoman. ^_^

      I believe in marriage and all its legal aspects; I just don't believe that we should hang on with someone who causes daily tears and pain, then later, anger. It's just so bad when bad things prop up after marriage. Sometimes, the real attitude or hang ups in life surface only after marriage. I used to think I'd have a happy marriage, but sometimes, whatever one does just can't make it work; it always have to be a two-way effort.

      That's why many prefer to be with no one than to remain with the wrong one!
    1. criticalthinking's Avatar
      criticalthinking -
      Quote Originally Posted by Eiza View Post
      Well, sentiment aside, there are legitimate legal reasons for marriage. That's one reason why gay couples are fighting so hard for the right to be married. Marriage provides you with the right of inheritance, health insurance, tax deductions and the right to determine the medical treatment of your spouse. You don't have those things if you're not married.
      That was what I was going to point out. Although the author mentioned some legal procedures that have been set up to give gay couples some protections, they still have a long way to go. There are no legally binding contracts for child custody for unmarried gay couples. And the patient consent forms that people use to make sure the person they choose is making medical decisions can be challenged by family members in court. In addition, setting up all of those seperate, legal documents to cover all of the rights automatically given to married couples is quite expensive, and they have to be updated and maintained every few years.
    1. criticalthinking's Avatar
      criticalthinking -
      I have always had trouble imagining myself getting married. I guess if it was just a matter of commitment, I would understand better, but the legal aspects of it bother me. I don't like the way your assets are bound together, for one thing. I've had friends in bitter divorces, trying to take each other's stuff, just to be hateful. It's stuff they don't even want! They just know their soon to be ex wants it, and that's enough reason to try to get it in the divorce. On the flip side, I had a friend who was denied the right to refile for her divorce, just because her husband was too poor to move out. She didn't want to throw him out in the street, so she let him stay on the couch. The judge decided that they shouldn't be allowed to get their divorce because they were still living together. I guess my question about marriage is this: what do any of those things have to do with love or commitment?
    1. katina's Avatar
      katina -
      It had been my observation that once couples say ‘I do’ the prevalent understanding is that because you said ‘til death do us part’, I can take you for granted because you promised not to leave me.
      I think this sentence captures some of my issues with marriage. There seems to be an emphasis on over-the-top proposals, getting a ring, buying a dress, having a big wedding and honeymoon. That's such a small chunk of what a marriage entails. I think that some people are in love with the idea of marriage and view it like a fairy tale. Marriage is hard work. It takes two committed people. Not taking your spouse for granted after the fanfare dies down is what actually gets you to "death do us part".
    1. carol4's Avatar
      carol4 -
      I think many people want to get married today, but many do not always want to stay married. It is exciting to be engaged and planning a wedding. Maybe you should be spending more time on planning a happy life. Respect for each other is number one of importance. Trust and compromise come into the equation. Living is made up of mundane routine and laziness often sets in after several years together. It is important to share the good and the bad, and remember to laugh a lot.
    1. mommyjoyce's Avatar
      mommyjoyce -
      It's actually scary, Ms carol, that many do not always want to stay married. Vaules, it seems, are changing with technology. Lesser and lesser people are finding sanctity in marriage. It has become a testing ground for many couples. It actually sounds confusing to me now to hear some people I know being half sisters and half brothers to one parent then having other half sisters, half brothers to another parent. You know, like it's difficult to make a family tree anymore There are so many changed partners! Marriages which lasts up to 50 years is really golden now and worth a grand celebration.
    1. mangobunny's Avatar
      mangobunny -
      I'm still a believer of 'forever love'. I see marriage as a holy sacrament, one that shouldn't be taken lightly. If you're willing to take the leap, make the sacrifice, or whatever it's called these day, then just don't do it! I feel like many marry for the wrong reasons these days. "Marriage is a pairing of people from separate families and different life experiences. The vows themselves lend credence to the idea that there will be an inordinate amount of give and take, “for better or worse”." I haven't been married for too long, and sometimes I feel like I've seen more 'worse' than 'better', but that's okay. Marriage is not just about you. It's about being yourself and making a life together with your partner. Of course there's gonna be some bumps ahead. It's just so sad that divorce rates are so high now. The Mexico City initiative is especially disheartening. I just hope that the trend won't be getting even worse than it is now.
    1. eric.cornelison's Avatar
      eric.cornelison -
      I understand all the arguments, but I have been married for 24 years. I met my wife in college and thought she was the most beautiful woman I had every saw. As I look on her today, she is still the most beautiful woman in the world. I believe in tradition. Marriage has lost its meaning in today's society. I dated my wife for three years before getting married to her. We waited four years before we had our first child, because I wanted to be more secure in my job. Do not marry someone you do not know. And you don't get to really know someone until you live with them or have been with them for some time. Six months is not enough time to get to know a person. It take years. When you commit to marriage, you take a vow. To me, that vow is important. I only have my word in this life and I will not lose that. If you loved someone at the beginning, then what happened at the end? Find out an fix it. Marriage is worth fighting for. My wife once asked me if I would love her all her life. I said no, but I would love her all of my life. Do we have problems, yes, but we know that we love each other. If you are not committed to that person "til death" don't marry them. If you are not willing to compromise, don't marry them. If you think the marriage is one sided, then change it , or better yet, you should have known it was going to be one sided in the first place. My wifes career was important to her. So I cooked the dinners, took care of the kids, went to the school and made sure our house was a home, but I worked a full-time job and became successful, or at least what society believes is successful. I wanted my wife to be happy, self-confident and self-supportive. When you think that your spouse is more important than you are then that is a marriage. My wife has always though my happiness was more important then hers, I thought the same thing. Take it from an older man, this is what make a marriage work. Let your spouse be the person your loved. If that person changes, I don't believe that is the person you loved.
    1. adriannei's Avatar
      adriannei -
      Some people believe marriage is not required and in your case, this is true. However, others just want a wedding so they can dress up and have fun with friends. Others do it for financial security. There are many reasons why people get married. I believe in marriage but I only think you should get married if you have known the person for two years or more. I rushed into a relationship by mistake and the guy asked me to marry him. I thought about it and said yes, and here we are 3 years later, very happy together. Sometimes, in life - it's good to take chances.
    1. f204's Avatar
      f204 -
      Very fair article, presenting the pros and cons of marriage. It is such a personal decision. For me marriage is important and I love my husband of 6 years more than life itself, wouldn't have it any other way.
    1. purplelilac's Avatar
      purplelilac -
      I think people get divorced because it is not shunned upon to leave a marriage like it was years ago. I do take marriage seriously, but it is not always easy. I think some people just try to take the easy way out with divorce. Staying with a marriage has its advantages. It is nice to have someone there for you and over time you can work things out. Staying in a marriage is also easier on the rest of the family.
    1. carol4's Avatar
      carol4 -
      We all know that divorce is way too easy these days. After the first few years the relationship goes through many changes. Life goes through many changes and that influences the marriage and relationship. Respect, compromise and understanding work well for any relationship. As for keeping the romance alive, that is sometimes a tall order when problems are mind boggling. Take some time to be kind to each other. Do something special and say "I love you" when totally unexpected.
    1. bross's Avatar
      bross -
      I think the article is well written. But I for one will not get married again. I was married for 24 years to an abusive control freak. I finally got out of the marriage and am very happy now. I have found the person I used to be. I also found a new man who loves me for who I am not for who he wants me to be. I don't need a piece of paper to show him how much I love him. But this is just my perspective on things.
    1. Karim Jessa's Avatar
      Karim Jessa -
      Whenever and wherever the topic of marriage arises, the issue boils down to the legal implications, and for some, the religious as well. Bringing love into it simply complicates the equation. Or I could put it another way. Two people agree to live together because they love each other. Bringing the law into it, or religion, simply complicates the equation. The point about having a term marriage, at the end of which the partners rethink their vows, also comes down to the law. If two people are in love, and are living together, every day is a day for renewing the commitment. Yet, once married, we sort of sit back, as if to say: Well, I'm married; I don't have to worry about paying court to my partner; the law is there to keep us together. We have to decide whether a marriage is a legal partnership, or a love relationship. We have to decide if marriages are made in Heaven, or on Earth. Unfortunately, we are unable to. And even if we do decide, the law and the church won't let us live by our decision. If that is the case, the fact that it's not in our power to choose the grounds on which to have a relationship, why not go all the way and simply make it a legal arrangement. In other words, why not simply have arranged marriages? But of course I can hear the protests. What about love? Yes, what about it? If it's only about love, why are we so worried about the legal consequences? Once and for all, let us campaign to have absolutely no interference from the law in our love relations. I think I remember Pierre Elliot Trudeau saying something about the law not being permitted in the bedroom. We shall not do any such thing, however. For then what about our joint savings; our jointly owned property; our children? You see, we do need the law to protect us. Before this see-sawing goes on forever, let us decide one way or the other. While we're trying to decide, and while the law tries to decide, let us at least live as if the only thing keeping us together is our commitment. So let us work at making the relationship work; every day.

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